that would sort of crush other politicians, accusations of lying, infidelity, political gaffes. i think what joe biden is going to find here is somebody who's ready and willing to get on and boris johnson who has somebody who wants to rekindle the special relationship. boris johnson has his work cut out but is a survivor. the bets are that he can do it. alison? >> we'll be watching, nic. thank you for all of that. "new day" continues right now. >> it's going to take months for us to turn things around. and to a nation waiting for action, let me be clearest on this point. help is on the way. >> we're going to be building on things. we're not going to be destroying it. we're not going to trash anything. >> we're running out of vaccine and we're not getting any assurance of major new shipments. >> looming over everything on

capitol hill, the impeachment trial of former president donald trump. >> it won't be soon, i don't think it will be long, but we must do it. >> we can come up with an agreement with senator mcconnell and senator schumer and do this in a collaborative way, i think that's the way to do it. >> this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> good morning, everyone. welcome to your new day. it is friday, january 22nd, 6:00 here in the east. breaking news, the white house unveiling two new executive orders in just the past hour to try to help struggling americans, including a $15 an hour minimum wage for federal workers. the biden administration will spend time today touting these proposals, but, of course, the real challenge is behind the scenes with congress. the president is calling for a $1.9 trillion economic relief package that he hopes can be bipartisan. though this morning, congress is having a hard time even agreeing on the rules that will govern the senate. >> developing overnight, the cdc updated its guidelines about how

long you can wait to get your second dose of the coronavirus vaccine and the possibility of getting doses from different manufacturers. a new study find that six in ten americans don't even know where to go or when they can go to get vaccinated. we will speak to dr. anthony fauci in just a moment. we begin, though, with cnn's jeremy diamond live at the white house. and jeremy, the president wants to focus on the economy today. he wants bipartisanship in terms of this relief deal. as i've said, i want a pony. will either of us get what we want? >> reporter: that is the big question, john. and certainly, president biden is trying to focus on bipartisanship. and he will need it if he wants to get that $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief package passed through congress. yesterday, we saw the president focus on the health crisis confronting the country. and today, we will see him with more executive actions, but this time focused on the economy. after unveiling a national strategy to combat the pandemic, today president biden turning to the economic crisis it has

wrought. biden will sign two more executive orders today. one to help people who are unemployed or struggling to buy food. the second to protect federal workers and contractors. this will set into motion a future executive order, which will require federal contractors to pay a $15 minimum wage and provide emergency paid leave. nearing the nationwide minimum wage increase biden is seeking as part of his $1.9 trillion relief package. >> his preference and priority is a bipartisan package and working with members of both parties to come to an agreement. this crisis is dire and it requires immediate action and we hope and expect members of both parties to work together to do that. >> reporter: few congressional republicans have signed on to biden's proposal, but house democrats say they want to pass the president's bill as quickly as possible. >> it's what the people need. it's what the country needs to

crush the virus, put money in the pockets of the american people, and honor our heroes. >> reporter: biden used his first full day in office thursday to unveil a national strategy to get the pandemic under control. >> we didn't get into this mess overnight. it's going to take months for us to turn things around. but let me be equally clear. we will get through this. >> reporter: releasing a nearly 200-page plan and signing ten executive actions. among them, using the defense production act to increase supplies for vaccines and testing, ramping up production of ppe, and extending mask requirements for interstate travel on buses, planes, and trains. >> our national plan launches a full-scale wartime effort to address the supply shortages by ramping up production and protective equipment, syringes, needles, you name it. and when i say wartime, people kind of look at me like, wartime? as i said, last night, 400,000

americans have died. >> reporter: and when pressed about whether his goalo of 100 million shots in his first hundred days is enough, biden gave this answer. >> come on, give me a break man, it's a good number. >> reporter: dr. anthony fauci notes that the united states is in a very serious situation. but also hopeful the new administration will help regain the public's trust. >> the idea that you can get up here and talk about what you know, what the evidence, what the science is, and know that's it, let the science speak. it is somewhat of a liberating feeling. >> reporter: and president biden will sign those executive actions this afternoon, focused on the economy, but at the same time, the white house's top economic adviser, brian deese, making very clear that the ultimate big goal is that $1.9 trillion package. he says that these economic actions, the executive actions we'll see today are a critical lifeline, but no substitute for

comprehensive legislation. john? >> jeremy diamond at the white house. to get comprehensive legislation, the kind jeremy was just talking about, he will need congress to come along. but this morning, we're seeing something of a mitch mcconnell muscle flex in the senate. think of that. cnn's lauren fox live on capitol hill with the very latest. what are we seeing, lauren? >> well, essentially, we are seeing a u.s. senate at a standstill at the moment, because there is still a disagreement on how to even organize this new 50/50 split in the senate. remember, democrats have a slight majority because they won the white house. that means kamala harris can break any ties that the u.s. senate has when it comes to moving forward with any nominees, but it's important to remember that in the construct of these negotiations, what you have is a minority leader, mitch mcconnell, the new minority leader, insisting that democrats make a promise to preserve the filibuster. that is the 60-vote threshold that ensures, essentially, that lawmakers can't just pass legislation with a simple majority. it really protects the minority

party's rights in the u.s. senate. it's what makes the senate different than the house of representatives. but chuck schumer, in a very difficult spot, because he doesn't want to make that promise on paper, and essentially limit his ability and the tools at his disposal to move forward legislation in the future. right now, there are not the votes to blow up the filibuster. you have moderate democrats like joe manchin, like kirsten sinema making it clear they don't support that effort right now. but in a couple of months, does that change if republicans are standing in the way? they don't want to put anything in the organizing resolution about the filibuster, and that is really creating problems, because without that resolution, you can't essentially change hands of the committees and which party controls them. so it's really holding up the legislation and it's holding up nominees. now, the other big thing on the agenda is the question of when this impeachment trial is going to get started. last night, you had a late-night effort, again by the new minority leader, mitch mcconnell, to suggest they delay

moving forward with the senate trial for a couple of weeks. essentially, what that would do is thrust this all into the middle of february and it would give, in mcconnell's words, some time for the former president, donald trump, to settle in with his new legal team and try to make a case for why he should not be convicted on these impeachment trials. now, i am told by democratic aides that the democrats are looking closely at this. because, remember, they have incentive to delay this in an effort to try to get some nominees moving, try to get that legislative agenda moving. but it's still an open question. a lot of negotiations that have to happen between mcconnell and schumer, really testing their first days in their new reversed roles. alisyn? >> lauren, thank you very much for all of that information. joining us now, we have cnn senior political analyst, ryan lizza. he's the chief washington correspondent for politico. ryan, great to see you. >> good morning, guys. >> i understand all habits die hard. i understand that republicans don't go along with president biden just because he snaps his fingers and wants

bipartisanship. but in terms of the relief package, what is it that republicans object to? why is senator roy blunt saying that some of this is a nonstarter? is it the more money for vaccines and testing? is it the direct $1,400 payments for americans? the more money for the cdc? i mean, what do they object to? >> i think the first thing you're seeing is this return by republicans to a kind of small -- to small government arguments, which like clockwork happens when there's a democratic president. you guys have been watching this -- things like this for a long time, like me. and under barack obama, republicans were all habit limiting spending. under donald trump and george w. bush, they were not very concerned about deficits and the national debt. donald trump, of course, racked up more national than any previous president.

so i think that's part of it, is they're just returning to the opposition and democratic control in washington. so their arguments are going to be much more about limiting spending than when they had a republican president. you can call that hypocrisy and it certainly is, but that's going to be a key political dynamic this year. >> i think one of the other interesting things beyond the republican recalcitrance is the rising democratic impatience with joe biden, president biden, trying to do things in bipartisan ways. i will note, we're like six minutes into this, so the idea of being patient, i'm not sure it's quite that time yet, but we're already hearing it. biden, the president seems to be operating by this old clinton world maxim, i don't mean the double entendre, but clinton used to say, he wants to get caught trying to do something. he would rather try and fail than not do it at all. why is it maybe political

advantageous for joe biden to get caught trying to do things in a bipartisanship fashion? >> that's a great point, john. he did run on this message of unity. he has promised to reach out to republicans. and i think there are a lot of people on the left watching that to say, wait a second, is this just -- is this just a slogan and he doesn't really mean it and he's waiting for the point where he, himself, will be in favor of getting rid of the filibuster and abandoning, you know, requiring bipartisanship for every victory? or is he genuinely serious about this and believes that he and mitch mcconnell can forge some kind of alliance on centrist legislation? if you read barack obama's recent memoir, he talks a lot about the same dynamic in 2009 and regrets defining victory as bipartisanship, because it handed over so much power to his republican opponents on the

hill. and, you know, i think everyone's waiting to figure out what's in the back of biden's mind? does he genuinely believe he has a path to 60 votes in the senate for his big legislative items, like immigration reform and the covid bill? or is this just so he can at some point say, look, i tried, the only way to get things done is the nuclear option and to get rid of this filibuster. and he certainly wants to have that in his back pocket, at least as a threat, which is why mcconnell wants to take it away, as lauren pointed out, in her report, and wants that completely off the table. >> and then couple all of that with the impending senate trial for donald trump, and here's the timeline, as laid out by what senator mcconnell would want. january 28th, the summons to president trump. february 4th, he gets to answer the articles of impeachment.

february 91, he would submit a pre-trial brief. february 13th, the house would submit its rebuttal pre-trial brief. the point is, is that, you know, with every day, it appears that some of the horror of what the lawmakers experienced cools, for some of them, a little bit. and at the same time, every day, more information about the insurrection comes out, more of these rioters are arrested and say things like, that they felt directed by president trump and so, hard to know what the timeline will mean in terms of outcome. >> and look, there are going to be plenty of democrats that think -- first of all, what is mcconnell up to? because they'll start to find themselves perhaps agreeing with mcconnell that, yeah, delaying a little bit is okay, because we want to get biden's team in place. that's what they were talking about a few days ago. how do you dual track? how do you get some of the

legislation moving and get his nominees in place and have a senate trial simultaneously ? so mcconnell has given them an offer that will be enticing to some people. at the same time, it does kick this down the road a little bit and meanses that donald trump and what happened during the transition will dominate the first hundred days in a way that frankly the biden team never wanted it to dominate. remember, joe biden never -- when they were impeaching donald trump, joe biden never came out publicly and said he wanted to do that. and you know, he was always ambiguous about that. so, it's like, we can't quit 2020, right? all of the hangover to have the trump administration is now dominating joe biden's first hundred days. the last two days of first -- of executive orders, the majority of them were about undoing executive orders and actions of the trump era. and this means that we'll be

talking about donald trump and paying attention to the drama of the transition for quite a bit longer now. >> ryan lizza, thanks for having you on. great for waking up with us. can't wait to read the playbook this morning. >> thank you. in the meantime, the pandemic doesn't sleep and neither does dr. anthony fauci. he's up early and will speak to us next. defenses every day, with vitamin c, d and zinc. season, after season. ace your immune support, with centrum. ♪ for every trip you've been dreaming of,

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welcome back to "new day." 17 past the hour on the east coast. joining me now, dr. anthony fauci. he is president biden's chief coronavirus medical adviser. dr. fauci, we really appreciate you waking up and joining us this morning. great to see, as always. so listen -- >> good to be with you. >> -- new data out this morning. the hospitalization rate has continued to tick down. there is a real discernible downward trend in hospitalizations. that's good news. but professor michael osterholm and others are looking at the new variants we're seeing around the world and in some cases in the united states and they are concerned that we could see a new surge, a new wave from these new variants. how real should that fear be this morning? >> well, you always have to maintain that as a possibility, john. i'm not exactly sure that that's going to happen. we do have variants in this country right now. the uk variant is in several

states. it has not become dominant. it might. that's the reason why you have to watch it careful, as we go from january into february. and really take a good look. the good news about all of this is that we are seeing a plateau in the number of cases. as we do that, that doesn't mean that all of a sudden everything is going to even off, because we're still going to have a lot of hospitalizations, even though they tend to be plateauing and coming down and we still have a lot of deaths. what we're hoping as we come to the end of january, we'll start to see that plateau and things will go down. but as dr. osterholm said, and we all realize, there's a possibility that with the variants here, we may have a dominance of those strains that tend to transmit more efficiently. the best thing you can do about that is to continue to uniformly adhere to the public health recommendations that we've spoken about time and again, from the wearing of masks to the washing of hands to avoid

congregant settings. that's the kind of thing that prevents surges, regardless of what the type of virus, the mutant of virus or what have you is there. that together with an increase in the rollout of vaccines is the thing that we should be concentrating on. at the same time that we always take seriously when you get new strains or mutants or variants of the virus that you have to keep an eye out on. >> does the increase in the rate of transmissibility change the target? how does it change the target of the number of americans, the percent of americans you think need to get vaccinated in order to turn the corner? >> not very much, john. you know, when you talk about the real level is going to be of herd immunity, you don't know that until you're in a situation where when people get below that level, you start to see the uptick. that's the reason why we can pretty accurately say what it is

for measles, because we've been in situations where you've completely suppressed measles and then all of a sudden, there's certain groups in the country that diminish their vaccination rate, and then you get outbreaks of measles. we're not there yet with regard to accurate calculations regarding sars cov-2. but that's the reason you can make an estimate that probably between 70 and 85% of the people and when you get to that level, which i hope we will with our vaccination program, that in fact we will achieve herd immunity within a reasonable period of time. and i have said, hopefully that will be as we enter into the fall and in the summer. >> one more question on the new variants. in germany, there's so much concern about the increased transmissability, they're requiring people to wear the n95 masks on subways. i wonder what you think of that? >> well, you know what they're trying to do is ratchet up a bit

more, because n95s, clearly, those are the ones that i use when i'm in the hospital under certain circumstances. you know, they are very well fitted. in fact, you can't just take an n95 mask -- when i go into the hospital and see our patients with communicable diseases, we have one person from the respiratory department make sure it fits perfectly well and it's really snug. an n95 that's well-fitted clearly is the best that you can do. early on, the difficulty with that is that there weren't enough n-95 masks around, and if people started wearing them, it would take away from the people who really need them, who are taking care of patients. but that's changed now. we're many months beyond that. you could get production of that at a much higher rate now. >> do you think americans should consider wearing n95s more often or double masking? is that something you would recommend? >> well, you know, i don't want to be making recommendations now, john. what you do is follow the cdc

recommendations and guidelines. if you can get an n95 mask, fine, but i don't think that should be at the point of a recommendation. i would leave that to the cdc. >> johnson & johnson, we're going to see some data from the third stage of their trial soon. with moderna and pfizer, both of those vaccines have 90% efficacy. what's the target where you would consider the johnson & johnson vaccine to be helpful? >> you know, john, i would like to see it right around that. if it's one or two or three percentage points either way, can't go much better than 94, 95, which is where moderna and pfizer are, but i would like to see the j&j product come around near there, maybe a few off. if you see it 20 less than that, you've got to be a little careful than that. there'll be eyebrows raised about which ones you want to use. if you can get it within the

ballpark, 80, 89, 89. but there are some advantages of the j&j one. it's a single shot. if you want to figure out the difference, you can get a shot of the j&j and 10, 14 days later you're already starting to have a substantial amount of protection. even though it might be a little bit lower than the 94 to 95, that's a pretty high bar. but it's a bit lower, i wouldn't be concerned about it. as long as it's in the ballpark. >> any early hints about where it may land? >> no. >> it doesn't work like that? >> it's one of these situations, john, you've got to look at the data. the data will speak. no guessing, no figuring out, just look at the data and go with the data. >> all right. 100 million doses in a hundred dayse s. days. that's the target of the biden administration. there were more than a million vaccines administered yesterday. if we did not get to 100 million

in a hundred days, it means we would start backsliding. i want to put the question to you in this way. if we got to april 30th, which is a hundred days in, and the exact number of americans vaccinated is 100 million, how satisfied would you really be? >> you know, i mean, obviously, you want to do as best as you possibly can. i would like it to be a lot more. the goal was set, but you don't want to get fixated on, was that an undershoot or an overshoot. you go for 100 million over a hundred days. if we do better than that, which i personally think we likely will, then great. i don't want to get fixated. i saw that yesterday, there was that back and forth between that. we're just going to go for it, for as much as you possibly can. when you set a goal, if you do better than the goal, that's terrific. i hope we do. >> so the white house released it's now coronavirus strategy yesterday and came out with this 21-page summary of it. and the number one thing, the number one goal of the new biden white house in terms of battling

the pandemic is to restore trust with the american people. why is it necessary to say that? >> well, i think that that was really good making that number one. because what we've had, john, there's no secret, we've had a lot of divisiveness, we've had facts that were very, very clear, that were questioned. people were not trusting what health officials were saying. there was great divisiveness, masking became a political issue. what the president was saying from the get-go. let's reset this and everybody get on the same page, trust each other, let the science speak. and he said that multiple times. not only before the cameras, he said it to us in the meeting that we had in the white house yesterday, right before i went into the press conference. just that it's got to be, science is driving what we're doing. john, that's what i've been saying with you every time i've been on the program here. if we can do that, get people to

trust in each other that we're all in this together, forget the divisiveness. we have a serious opponent here. the president made the analogy of a war. yeah, if you look at the numbers, over 400,000 people dead. that's quite comparable to world war ii. that's the reason why we've really got to restore trust and restore a unified approach. >> did the lack of candor, did the lack of facts in some cases over the last year cost lives? >> you know, it very likely did. you know, i don't want that to be a sound bite, but i think if you just look at that, you can see that when you're starting to go down paths that are not based on any science at all, and we've been there before. i don't want to rehash it, that is not helpful at all. and particularly when you're in the situation of almost being in a crisis with the number of cases and hospitalizations and deaths that we have, when you start talking about things that make no sense medically and no

sense scientifically, that clearly is not helpful. >> so the new white house coronavirus coordinator, jeffrey zienst told our mj lee, for almost a year now, americans could not look to the federal government for any strategy. how fair is that? >> well, you know, there was a strategy that we had when i was on the coronavirus task force. it wasn't articulated well, but there was a fractionation of it, john. there was a strategy that we knew that we were talking about, but the separation of the federal government and the states, i thought, and i had said back then, months and months ago, i thought that was really a lesion. you don't want the federal government to do everything and you don't want the states to do everything. but what we saw a lot of was saying, okay, states, do what you want to do. and states were doing things that clearly were not the right direction. and that's unfortunate. so, the best thing to do is to have a plan, have the federal

government interact with the states in a synergistic, collaborative, cooperative way, helping them with resources and helping them with a plan. at the same time respecting the individual issues that any individual state might have. that's the way to go. not, "you're on your own, good-bye, see you around, later." that doesn't work and a lot of states did not like that. they want to have the capability of making their own decisions, but they also need resources and they need help. so, i mean, if you're saying, that's not a good plan, if you have that fractionation, it's true. if you have a plan and everybody pulls together, i think that's the way to go. i know that's the way to go. >> what's the one thing that you would like to see today? what's the one thing that could make a difference today into getting more shots into people's arms? >> well, you know, it's a complicated issue. i think what we've really got to do is go into the trenches, and

i've said this so many times, and figure out, what is it that's the cause of what we're hearing, that sometimes doses are not being given and they're hanging around and another state is saying, we need more doses. we have so many people that are lined up. you've got to get into the local area and find out, what's going on here? what's wrong? let's try to fix it? the reason i say that, john , i've had experience more than one time, several times, backs months ago, for example, when you're sitting in the situation room and hear, okay, things look pretty good, this is happening, that's happening, you go home, get on the phone to the people who are actually doing it and they say, it's not working well. what we need to do is get there and partner with the people who are actually doing it. and say, okay, what went wrong here and how can we help you fix it? or how can we help you help yourself fix it? and i think that's what you're going to be starting to see. in fact, it's happening right now. >> i have two more questions. they're both basically the same thing. you understand how americans can be watching this, saying, if dr.

anthony fauci doesn't understand how the vaccines that have been shipped aren't getting in people's arms, how are we supposed to understand that? you see -- go ahead. >> well, john, i think you're making a leap here, you know. the reason i say "i don't know," is what i said yesterday at the press conference. one of the things that we want to do, that we spoke about with the president, if you don't know the answer, don't guess. go and figure out what it is and help people fix it. that's what i'm saying. you're saying, why does this group here not have enough doses and this group here have doses that are lying around? i have to tell you honestly, i don't know right now. we have to go back and figure out what that is. and the important thing is to fix it. so i don't think people should say, we don't know what's going on. you find out what's going on on a case-by-case basis and you try to have generalities that will fix it all. that's what i'm talking about. >> so the cdc updated its guidance last night, suggesting you can get your second dose of

the vaccine up to six weeks after the first dose. >> right. >> you told chris last night, chris cuomo, that you're taking a chance if you do that. again, the cdc is saying one thing, you're saying another. isn't that confusing to the american people? >> john, no. okay. let me explain. the data that is from the clinical trials says if you get a moderna dose, a first dose, you get it at 28 days. if you get a pfizer, you get it at 21 days. that's what the clinical trial says. that's the optimal. what the cdc is saying, sometimes, the situation is stressed where it's very difficult to be exactly on time. so we're saying, you can probably do it six weeks later, namely, two additional weeks. quite frankly, immune lological i don't think that's going to

make a big difference. it doesn't coincide with the clinical data, but from a practical standpoint, i don't see a big problem with that if the situation on the ground means the stress is such that you can't precisely do 28 days or 21 days. there's no disagreement at all between me and the cdc. they're saying, practically speaking, if you've got to do that, it very likely is not going to make a big difference. >> i'm really glad that you explained that to us and can lay out all the facts like this and make the case. it's important, it's important to have the american people understand exactly what's happening, which is why it's good that you are explaining things at length now. so i really appreciate you coming on this morning, dr. fauci. appreciate the candor. thanks for being with us. >> my pleasure. thanks, john. >> really interesting, john. a lot of information. it changes all the time, which is why it's so helpful to have cnn's chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta join us now to explain what he heard. so what are the headlines that jumped out at you, sanjay? >> yeah, that was great

interview. got a lot of information out of there. and it's good, as you point out, to hear dr. fauci being able to talk for that long and get this kind of information. several things jumped out. first of all, with regard to vaccinations, what is becoming increasingly clear, it's not just the number of vaccinations, which dr. fauci, you know, has said, look, we can do better than 100 million in a hundred days. hopefully, we will. because the second part of that is it's not just the amount of vaccinations, it's the speed of vaccinations. i think this was a crucial point. these mutations that we're talking about, these variants, which i think are the thing that we really have to keep a very close eye on, the chance of them actually developing these mutations occurring occurring as the virus spreads more and more. so if you can vaccinate a lot of people and do it quickly, obviously, you provide the protection, but you also reduce the likelihood that these variants are going to be out there and become problematic. i also thought it was really interesting, you asked about n95

masks. the n95 masks are the gold standard masks. in europe right now, they are in the process of finalizing some of these rules and regulations about using n95 masks many public. should we be doing the same thing here? because if you're going to wear masks, these are the gold standard masks. you have these variants that are more transmissable. why shouldn't we do everything we can to protect people as much as they can when they're out in public? and you also asked about the johnson & johnson vaccine. and i think this is potentially a very bright spot, we will see. there is data that should be coming out. i've been talking to some of my sources, data that has been coming out even over the next week, potentially. and if that data is promising, that data -- they could be applying for emergency use authorization, like we saw with moderna and pfizer. important to note that the johnson & johnson trials have been occurring in many places around the world, including south africa. where this variant that we've

been talking about of concern has been circulating. so if this vaccine works there, within that trial population, that would obviously be good news in terms of addressing that variant, if it were to get to the united states or spread more, you know, more robustly around the world. so lots of headlines there. i thought it was interesting how people would sort of interpret this information about switching out the moderna or the pfizer, if you got the pfizer first and then go to the moderna or vice versa, that's probably one of the most common questions i get. in exceptional situations, as you drilled down on with dr. fauci, you can switch them out, only if you absolutely have to and you can extend that window to six weeks. there's no data on that, but it should work. >> he was frustrated, maybe even annoyed with me when i asked him about the confusion over why so

many vaccines that have been shipped haven't been administered. and that's okay. i don't mind. it is interesting -- his answer is interesting, which is, i want to find out. we need to find out why that is and fix it. but it is the kind of thing, sanjay, that seems to me, we have to get some answers on soon. >> we really do. and, yeah, i sense that frustration, as well. dr. fauci is one of the only bridges, really, between the last administration and this administration with regard to some of these specific issues. so i think, you know, there is some sense of ownership of the vaccine and the rollout, you know, from the previous administration and now how it will be going forward. but it's been confusing. i spent a lot of time talking to people at the various state levels. and it's not clear. here in georgia, for example, 30 to 35% of vaccine has been actually administered, you know, whereas it's in some states, it's much, much higher than that, in some places, demand has

outstripped supply and in other places, supply has outstripped demand. why is that happening, if people aren't using it fast enough, should the vaccine be dispensed in different ways? we shall see. i think it will continue to remain a challenge given how fragmented the country has been so far. it's going to be a big challenge to get that out there like that and fix that. >> it seems like there needs to be one point person. i'm just throwing that out in case dr. anthony fauci needs to take that advice. it seems like there needs to be one person to call all the states. but anyway, we're being wrapped. thank you very much for all of that information. there are intense negotiations already underway in the senate. the one key bargaining chip that could be holding up major issues. hi, this is margaret your dell technologies advisor

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impeachment trial, cabinet confirmations and major legislation all in flux right now in the senate. so far, there is no agreement as to who is even in charge. the incoming senate majority leader chuck schumer and the man who will soon be the minority leader, mitch mcconnell, they have to agree how to divide power in the 50/50 senate. they have not done so. joining us now is julie pace, the washington bureau chief for the associated press. and julie, look, arguments over filibusters, it may seem arcane, but this all has to do with who gets to run things and how much power they will have. and mitch mcconnell here, on his way out as majority leader, he ain't making it easy for chuck schumer. >> he's certainly not. and you're right, the filibuster might sound arcane, people might kind of have their eyes glazed over when they talk about senate procedures, but this could be the whole ball game for joe biden when it comes to his ability to get his agenda through. you know, after those georgia senate races, people, democrats,

felt so excited that they had this majority, but the reality that this is a razor-thin majority. it will require kamala harris to come in and break ties. so biden may need, eventually -- he's not there yet, but may need to try to get rid of the filibuster if he wants a chance of getting major, big-ticket legislation through the senate. >> and if that doesn't happen, if they decide not to get rid of the filibuster, excuse me, should we just prepare for gridlock for the next four years? >> joe biden argues, give him a chance, you know. he says he's been in the senate before, he knows mitch mcconnell, he's got relationships with some of these republican senators. he says privately when he talks to those republican senators that they want to work with him. that there are areas of compromise. you know, we haven't seen that type of bipartisan compromise happen in washington in quite a long time. biden is, in a lot of ways, staking his presidency on his ability to bring some kind of compromise to capitol hill. but i think we're going to know pretty quickly, he's got a big

financial and pandemic rescue package that he's put forth before lawmakers. he's got an immigration package that he's put up there already. i think we'll know fairly soon, you know, how realistic some of what he's talking about in terms of bipartisan cooperation is going to really be. >> yeah, you know, i think one of the most interesting dynamics that we haven't focused on that much yet is the impatience among progressives in the senate about this. about how far they're willing to do to work with republicans. jeff merkley, senator from oregon was on our show yesterday, and we put up the picture of the 16 senator who is will meet with brian deese over the weekend to try to hammer out some greet on the $1.9 trillion in the relief package, and the first thing merkley said, there's no progressives here. that's all centrists and i'm not sure i like the idea that this new white house is going to say, hey, we're just going to work with the middle. >> i think that's a really important point. biden is very focused on the middle, but the reality is that the democratic party is quite divided. and he does need to take care of

liberals and progressives. there was something of a truce during the general election where liberals, you know, biden was not their first choice and liberals say, look, you're certainly better for us than donald trump. so we're not going to keep taking shots at you throughout this general election. that's going to change. if they feel like their agenda is getting lift on the sidelines. if they feel like biden isn't going far enough. he is going to hear from them. so, yes, he does need to focus on the middle, because that's how he's going to pull some republicans over into his corner, but that doesn't do him a lot of good if he loses democrats on the other end of the spectrum. >> let's talk about the senate impeachment trial of president, former president donald trump, is there some republican erosion in terms of whatever they felt during the insurrection or right after the insurrection? are some of -- is some of their outrage cooling on this? >> well, this is one of the risks for democrats in having this trial pushed back. we're now talking about

potentially mid-february before this starts. and in the immediate aftermath, certainly among senate republicans, there was significant outrage about the president's role in this and a real feeling like it was time to move on from him. not from all republican senators, but certainly for many and for mitch mcconnell. you do wonder, as time goes by, do the memories of that moment fade? it's kind of incredible to say that, given what a jarring moment that was for the country, but there is political reality at play. and you do start to just feel, ever so slightly, that among some of these republican senators, shifting. >> julie pace, great to have you on. thanks so much for being here. >> thank you. we're going to hear president biden's economic plan today as millions of americans are out of work. >> i can't even go to a food banks, because i have no car. every time i go looking for a job, i have to walk so many miles. >> a look at how the pandemic has affected transport workers, next.

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president biden unveiling his economic relief plan today as thousands of workers continue to struggle to make ends meet. cnn's vanessa yurkevich joins us now. >> reporter: these executive orders that president biden is expected to sign later today will help improve federal jobs and contracting jobs, will help get food into the hands of insecure -- food-insecure americans, and will get stimulus checks to those americans who maybe have missed out in the past. this is incredibly important for workers and industries that simply have not recovered, like the transportation industry. and is especially dire for these low-wage transportation workers, who are having a very tough time right now. joseph palma lost hope in this pandemic. he says he often goes a day or two without food. >> it's not right, it's not great. i have to survive. i have to eat something. >> reporter: palma, a contractor for american airlines, was laid

off in march. he survives off $275 a week in unemployment and food stamps. he lost his apartment and now lives in this one room. trips to the grocery store take him to the expired food aisle. >> that's the only way i can eat. because it's cheaper. it's almost half the price, sometimes more than that. i keep it for the longest i can keep it, so i can wait for my next check, for food stamps. >> he's more than 120,000 airline workers out of a job since february, when americans stopped traveling, the transportation industry took a blow and is yet to recover. between air, rail, and ground transport, more than a quarter million jobs have been lost. >> this is some of my medicines. >> reporter: nearly $300 worth of prescriptions sit by his bedside. a heart condition left palma with $12,000 in hospital bills. with student loans, he's $20,000 in debt. he says all of that makes it even harder to find food and

work. >> i can even go to the food banks, because i have no car. every time i go looking for a job, i have to walk so many miles. >> reporter: for 21 years,gersen fernandez has driven a yellow cab. what's it like driving a cab in the pandemic? >> it's like you have to keep driving and hope for the best. >> reporter: yellow cabs are an iconic part of new york city. at the height of the pandemic, it was down 80% or 90%. >> everybody's hurting, but for cabs and for us, we are hurting a lot. >> reporter: fernandez says he's lucky if he picks up four to five customers a day. he spends his eight-hour shift waiting for passengers at laguardia airport. >> what does that mean? you have a beautiful home, what does that mean when you lose that much? >> when you say beautiful home,

beautiful at that time. no longer now. like, it was beautiful in those days, because afford to buy a home and pay the mortgages or pay all the money. but now it's so bad, the pay. >> reporter: the biggest expense, the lease on his taxi medallion. he cannot afford the $3,000 a month. >> i try my best, how much can you try? how far can you go? what can you do? very limited resources. >> it's the kindness of strangers that have helped fill his pockets and lift his spirits. >> so many people are tipping. in fact, people tell me, they give me $5, even $10. i say, it's too much. they say, because, this time everybody is hurting and you are working. >> reporter: now, just yesterday we heard from president biden's pete buttigieg, who said one of

his main jobs will be bringing jobs back. but this pandemic is so unpredictable, it will be a long road ahead for the biden administration and americans like joseph palma and gersen hernandes. >> that was heart breaking to hear his raw emotion as he tries to go through all of this. dr. anthony fauci making a lot of news with john here on "new day." so we'll bring you his thoughts on the new variants and the vaccines. . and always will be. never letting anything get in my way. not the doubts, distractions, or voice in my head. and certainly not arthritis. voltaren provides powerful arthritis pain relief to help me keep moving. and it can help you too. feel the joy of movement with voltaren.

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>> announcer: this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. this is "new day." breaking news, moments ago, dr. anthony fauci told us right here on "new day," he is confident that the biden administration can vaccinate 100 million americans in the next hundred days. he wants to do even better than that. he thinks we can and will do even better than that. but at the same time, dr. fauci admits, he needs to find answers about the disappointing rollout of the vaccine. he says he doesn't quite understand yet why these vacces